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		<title>By: Ian Durias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Durias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land.&quot;  Deuteronomy 15:11.

I’m not yet sure if God means “there will always be poor people in the land” objectively (e.g. it’s impossible to end poverty) or subjectively (e.g. poverty can be ended but it won’t because of sin).  What I do know is that he commands us to help the poor and needy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land.&#8221;  Deuteronomy 15:11.</p>
<p>I’m not yet sure if God means “there will always be poor people in the land” objectively (e.g. it’s impossible to end poverty) or subjectively (e.g. poverty can be ended but it won’t because of sin).  What I do know is that he commands us to help the poor and needy.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a different question. Does it matter whether we can or cannot end poverty? Either way we have to keep trying to end it. Eventually it will end. Whether it is God working through us now to end it, or later on when Jesus comes back. It will end. It is just a matter of time. In the meantime, I don&#039;t think the answer to the question really changes what God has called us to do. &quot;Feed my sheep&quot; physically, spiritually, feed people, love people, serve people. :-) But we can all have hope that someday all will be made right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a different question. Does it matter whether we can or cannot end poverty? Either way we have to keep trying to end it. Eventually it will end. Whether it is God working through us now to end it, or later on when Jesus comes back. It will end. It is just a matter of time. In the meantime, I don&#8217;t think the answer to the question really changes what God has called us to do. &#8220;Feed my sheep&#8221; physically, spiritually, feed people, love people, serve people. <img src='http://blog.compassion.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  But we can all have hope that someday all will be made right.</p>
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		<title>By: Kees Boer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kees Boer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we take the poverty wheel in mind of Compassion and we combine that with the fact that wide is the road that leads to destruction and many are there on that road. Then not knowing Christ by itself is a sign of poverty. Especially if you take into account that compared to eternity our lives here on earth are extremely short or is really nothing. So, yes, we will always have the poor with us and that will be everywhere even in the USA. Even when you surround yourself with financially rich people. If they don&#039;t have Christ, they are extremely poor. I wrote with a very rich movie star for a while. She was rich beyond imagination from a financial standpoint. (She would go shopping and for the fun spend $50,000 and she would go into a club and just for showing up for 15 minutes, they&#039;d gave her $1,000,000). Yet, when talking with her, I felt that she was poorer than my little Compassion girl, because she didn&#039;t have Christ. Yet, my Compassion girl lived in a little shag in Bolivia, yet..... 100 years from now, unless the movie star would be saved, things would look totally different for my Compassion girl and for the movie star and that would go on for all eternity, never to finish. So, our lives are like just a door here on earth. Or as Wess said: &quot;We are just backpacking here.&quot; 

That prespective is very important, when dealing with poverty. 

On Acts. 4, I agree with the other commentator. That was a local church in Jerusalem, where the believers shared everything and there was no poverty within that local church. I would think that within the USA and even churches in some of the developing countries, you could see that same situation. As a matter of fact, you could almost say that in a Compassion project, you have that situation, since the children are all being taken care of. That doesn&#039;t mean that there isn&#039;t poverty all around that project. So, no contradiction there. 

On Jesus not being with them. I would say that there is a difference there regarding Matt. 28 and what Jesus said in John 12. He would not be with the disciples much longer physically. In Acts. 1, He ascended on high. Yet, being God, He is with us. He lives within us. So, those two passages are not contradictory. They are talking about different things. 

Having said that on a totally different note. I&#039;m looking for someone, who could sponsor a little girl named Janneth from Bolivia. She is 10 years old and attends the BO181 project, which is an amazing place in Alto Lima. I sponsor 3 children in that project and I&#039;ve been there and the staff is just really good! 

If you know of someone, who could sponsor her, please, contact me at: (310) 933-4284. 

Blessings, 

Kees</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we take the poverty wheel in mind of Compassion and we combine that with the fact that wide is the road that leads to destruction and many are there on that road. Then not knowing Christ by itself is a sign of poverty. Especially if you take into account that compared to eternity our lives here on earth are extremely short or is really nothing. So, yes, we will always have the poor with us and that will be everywhere even in the USA. Even when you surround yourself with financially rich people. If they don&#8217;t have Christ, they are extremely poor. I wrote with a very rich movie star for a while. She was rich beyond imagination from a financial standpoint. (She would go shopping and for the fun spend $50,000 and she would go into a club and just for showing up for 15 minutes, they&#8217;d gave her $1,000,000). Yet, when talking with her, I felt that she was poorer than my little Compassion girl, because she didn&#8217;t have Christ. Yet, my Compassion girl lived in a little shag in Bolivia, yet&#8230;.. 100 years from now, unless the movie star would be saved, things would look totally different for my Compassion girl and for the movie star and that would go on for all eternity, never to finish. So, our lives are like just a door here on earth. Or as Wess said: &#8220;We are just backpacking here.&#8221; </p>
<p>That prespective is very important, when dealing with poverty. </p>
<p>On Acts. 4, I agree with the other commentator. That was a local church in Jerusalem, where the believers shared everything and there was no poverty within that local church. I would think that within the USA and even churches in some of the developing countries, you could see that same situation. As a matter of fact, you could almost say that in a Compassion project, you have that situation, since the children are all being taken care of. That doesn&#8217;t mean that there isn&#8217;t poverty all around that project. So, no contradiction there. </p>
<p>On Jesus not being with them. I would say that there is a difference there regarding Matt. 28 and what Jesus said in John 12. He would not be with the disciples much longer physically. In Acts. 1, He ascended on high. Yet, being God, He is with us. He lives within us. So, those two passages are not contradictory. They are talking about different things. </p>
<p>Having said that on a totally different note. I&#8217;m looking for someone, who could sponsor a little girl named Janneth from Bolivia. She is 10 years old and attends the BO181 project, which is an amazing place in Alto Lima. I sponsor 3 children in that project and I&#8217;ve been there and the staff is just really good! </p>
<p>If you know of someone, who could sponsor her, please, contact me at: (310) 933-4284. </p>
<p>Blessings, </p>
<p>Kees</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clever and cute... ::)  but I&#039;m not buying any new “insights” into His Word (Ron &amp; Keith each make good points). His Word is clear and understandable by everyday minds. You and I can&#039;t even begin to pose a question that hasn&#039;t been answered many times over by minds far brighter than the collective wisdom on this blog. Yet in our vanity we seek out the Holy Grail. Or we set out a supposition and inductively proof text to that conclusion. 

The Bible is not a code book to puzzle over and to tease out hidden wisdom. It&#039;s all there in black and white. A present day expositor sums biblical interpretation up quite simply. The “main things” are the “plain things” and the “plain things” are the “main things”.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clever and cute&#8230; ::)  but I&#8217;m not buying any new “insights” into His Word (Ron &amp; Keith each make good points). His Word is clear and understandable by everyday minds. You and I can&#8217;t even begin to pose a question that hasn&#8217;t been answered many times over by minds far brighter than the collective wisdom on this blog. Yet in our vanity we seek out the Holy Grail. Or we set out a supposition and inductively proof text to that conclusion. </p>
<p>The Bible is not a code book to puzzle over and to tease out hidden wisdom. It&#8217;s all there in black and white. A present day expositor sums biblical interpretation up quite simply. The “main things” are the “plain things” and the “plain things” are the “main things”.</p>
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		<title>By: Ty Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ty Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this. Scott is spot-on with what our church here in Austin, Texas is trying to live out. Your reference to a &quot;community of believers&quot; is such an important component when trying to eradicate poverty. God designed us to live and serve in community.  When we choose to go it alone we are probably not as effective. Thanks for the post Brianne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this. Scott is spot-on with what our church here in Austin, Texas is trying to live out. Your reference to a &#8220;community of believers&#8221; is such an important component when trying to eradicate poverty. God designed us to live and serve in community.  When we choose to go it alone we are probably not as effective. Thanks for the post Brianne</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Prater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Prater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have to be careful with the Acts 4 statements.  There are two things we have to know from this.  One is that the people who is declared that &quot;there was no needy among them&quot; were all believers.  Second thing to remember is that because these people had received the true Spirit of God, they had begun to live by Matt. 6:24-34.  They were no longer serving mammon, they were serving God.  They didn&#039;t seek to make a living first, they sought the kingdom of God first.  

So, what do we gather from this? That poverty will not end unless people truly come to Christ, and poverty will not end while we hold onto the financial systems of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have to be careful with the Acts 4 statements.  There are two things we have to know from this.  One is that the people who is declared that &#8220;there was no needy among them&#8221; were all believers.  Second thing to remember is that because these people had received the true Spirit of God, they had begun to live by Matt. 6:24-34.  They were no longer serving mammon, they were serving God.  They didn&#8217;t seek to make a living first, they sought the kingdom of God first.  </p>
<p>So, what do we gather from this? That poverty will not end unless people truly come to Christ, and poverty will not end while we hold onto the financial systems of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Lusk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Lusk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not comfortable with Scott&#039;s interpretation of John 12:7-8, primarily because he is not taking into account the shift in number (singular vs. plural) of the verbs and a pronoun in the passage: &quot;You (s.) leave her alone...; the poor you (pl.) always have among you (pl.), but you (pl.) don&#039;t always have me.&quot;

This also has to be read within the framework of John (&quot;I am going away,&quot; &quot;Where I am going you cannot come (now),&quot; &quot;I go to prepare a place for you&quot;, &quot;Walk while it is yet day&quot;).  It would then appear that this is not a warning or threat to Judas.

Only then is it reasonable to say, &quot;How do we understand these things in the light of Matt 28?&quot;  Then we are free to look to the promise of another Comforter, and the promise that &quot;I will be in them&quot; in John.  (See 17:11-13.)  

One might instead consider, &quot;There will always be people who will need your help.&quot;  &quot;There were no poor among them&quot; might not mean that everyone was self-sufficient: it suggests that the sharing was such that the people in need (&quot;the poor&quot;) were not left to beg, to starve, to die of exposure.  Take away the wage-earners and &quot;rich&quot;, and only the formerly-poor who have had time to learn new skills, amass a few resources, and heal from their diseases were likely to stay afloat.  The &quot;poor&quot; were still there: but the blessing of God on his church was such that they were cared for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not comfortable with Scott&#8217;s interpretation of John 12:7-8, primarily because he is not taking into account the shift in number (singular vs. plural) of the verbs and a pronoun in the passage: &#8220;You (s.) leave her alone&#8230;; the poor you (pl.) always have among you (pl.), but you (pl.) don&#8217;t always have me.&#8221;</p>
<p>This also has to be read within the framework of John (&#8220;I am going away,&#8221; &#8220;Where I am going you cannot come (now),&#8221; &#8220;I go to prepare a place for you&#8221;, &#8220;Walk while it is yet day&#8221;).  It would then appear that this is not a warning or threat to Judas.</p>
<p>Only then is it reasonable to say, &#8220;How do we understand these things in the light of Matt 28?&#8221;  Then we are free to look to the promise of another Comforter, and the promise that &#8220;I will be in them&#8221; in John.  (See 17:11-13.)  </p>
<p>One might instead consider, &#8220;There will always be people who will need your help.&#8221;  &#8220;There were no poor among them&#8221; might not mean that everyone was self-sufficient: it suggests that the sharing was such that the people in need (&#8220;the poor&#8221;) were not left to beg, to starve, to die of exposure.  Take away the wage-earners and &#8220;rich&#8221;, and only the formerly-poor who have had time to learn new skills, amass a few resources, and heal from their diseases were likely to stay afloat.  The &#8220;poor&#8221; were still there: but the blessing of God on his church was such that they were cared for.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, thank you.  Sometimes it takes someone else reading and looking at the scripture to really bring to light what is meant.  I appreciate you sharing with us!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, thank you.  Sometimes it takes someone else reading and looking at the scripture to really bring to light what is meant.  I appreciate you sharing with us!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Lindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  That&#039;s powerful!  A BIG thank you to Scott for his insights, and to you, Brianne, for sharing them with us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  That&#8217;s powerful!  A BIG thank you to Scott for his insights, and to you, Brianne, for sharing them with us!</p>
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